The "Sh*t Driving Caught On Cam" Thread (Vol 4)

The "Sh*t Driving Caught On Cam" Thread (Vol 4)

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SpeedMattersNot

4,189 posts

140 months

Wednesday 14th August
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Centurion07 said:
I didn't say he wasn't, but if you don't like being tailgated then move over.
Just brake test them. It's what I was taught on my advanced police driver training. They soon stop tailgating you.

Solocle

1,060 posts

28 months

Wednesday 14th August
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FWIW said:
FreeLitres said:
He no doubt mans that the lorry in lane 2 would be alongside you, preventing a move back into lane 2 if you needed to make space for *merging* cars to enter from the slip.
You don’t *need* to make space for merging cars. It is up to the joining vehicle to give way and modify their speed in order to.......MERGE! It’s really surprisingly easy. In any case, the lorry would have been long gone by then.
Well, I doubt the lorry would be long gone. They don't exactly accelerate quickly. The Nissan needed to give the camera car stopping distance, too, so they'd be entering L1 fairly close to the slip road, at exactly the wrong time wrt the lorry.
Maybe you don't *need* to drive in L2 adjacent to a slip road. But it's a fairly sensible bit of making life easier for others / risk mitigation. Given I was nearly whapped by an idiot entering lane bloody 2 without looking, woe betide anyone driving in Lane 1 without an escape route. Roadcraft advises to avoid any overtaking maneover that would create a line of three vehicles travelling abreast, giving no room to maneouver. How much more pertinent is that when one of the vehicles needs to merge.
The lorry doesn't need to drive on the limiter.

saaby93

25,822 posts

122 months

Wednesday 14th August
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FWIW said:
FreeLitres said:
He no doubt mans that the lorry in lane 2 would be alongside you, preventing a move back into lane 2 if you needed to make space for *merging* cars to enter from the slip.
You don’t *need* to make space for merging cars. It is up to the joining vehicle to give way and modify their speed in order to.......MERGE! It’s really surprisingly easy. In any case, the lorry would have been long gone by then.
No but there's 'courtesy for other road users' so if it helps why not do it.
If lane 1 traffic is out of kilter with someone peddalling hard to join, it makes sense too
No point dropping from Lane 2 to Lane 1 just as someone is slipping into Lane 1 either - what was that about blind spots wink


speedking31

2,707 posts

80 months

Wednesday 14th August
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Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
I may be wrong, but IIRC specs controlled zones on motorways tell you to 'stay in lane' at the start, don't they?
Certainly used to be, but I haven't seen a "Stay in Lane" sign for some time.

Greg the Fish

647 posts

10 months

Wednesday 14th August
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speedking31 said:
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
I may be wrong, but IIRC specs controlled zones on motorways tell you to 'stay in lane' at the start, don't they?
Certainly used to be, but I haven't seen a "Stay in Lane" sign for some time.
Normally only during live roadworks isn't it?

Graveworm

2,297 posts

15 months

Wednesday 14th August
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Greg the Fish said:
speedking31 said:
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
I may be wrong, but IIRC specs controlled zones on motorways tell you to 'stay in lane' at the start, don't they?
Certainly used to be, but I haven't seen a "Stay in Lane" sign for some time.
Normally only during live roadworks isn't it?
That's something I haven't seen for some time either.

Vipers

27,867 posts

172 months

Wednesday 14th August
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SpeedMattersNot said:
Centurion07 said:
I didn't say he wasn't, but if you don't like being tailgated then move over.
Just brake test them. It's what I was taught on my advanced police driver training. They soon stop tailgating you.
Find that hard to believe.

StanleyT

1,012 posts

23 months

Wednesday 14th August
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Graveworm said:
Greg the Fish said:
speedking31 said:
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
I may be wrong, but IIRC specs controlled zones on motorways tell you to 'stay in lane' at the start, don't they?
Certainly used to be, but I haven't seen a "Stay in Lane" sign for some time.
Normally only during live roadworks isn't it?
Haven't seen that for some time either.
11am this morn M60 60 mph on the gantrys, with "congestion, stay in lane". Lanes 1 and 2 were empty. No one was changing lanes from 3 and 4 even though lanes 3 and 4 were populated (including my confused self, never having seen a gantry say stay in lane) by the accelerate / brake crowd. Probably averaged 40mph through the 60 mph zone.

Was this some cunning ploy for the HATOs to get their lunchtime takeaway delivered quicker?

Edit to replace the specific noun ie with Takeaway

Centurion07

7,286 posts

191 months

Wednesday 14th August
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Vipers said:
At times when driving through road works, there is a sign saying "Stay in lane", just saying.
Which would go to prove that he is indeed a MLM incapable of independent decision making.

Stay in lane signs are there to stop people chopping and changing lanes in either heavy traffic or in narrow lanes.

In that clip there was literally no reason for him not to move over other than the typical MLM thought process of "I don't have to move so fk everyone else".

Vipers

27,867 posts

172 months

Wednesday 14th August
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Centurion07 said:
Which would go to prove that he is indeed a MLM incapable of independent decision making.

Stay in lane signs are there to stop people chopping and changing lanes in either heavy traffic or in narrow lanes.

In that clip there was literally no reason for him not to move over other than the typical MLM thought process of "I don't have to move so fk everyone else".
Even with stay in lane signs, I would have moved over,

Cold

7,132 posts

34 months

Wednesday 14th August
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Would "Do Not Tailgate" signs have had any effect here?

CharlieAlphaMike

371 posts

49 months

Wednesday 14th August
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Vipers said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
Centurion07 said:
I didn't say he wasn't, but if you don't like being tailgated then move over.
Just brake test them. It's what I was taught on my advanced police driver training. They soon stop tailgating you.
Find that hard to believe.
So do I.

MrGTI6

1,304 posts

74 months

Wednesday 14th August
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CharlieAlphaMike said:
Vipers said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
Centurion07 said:
I didn't say he wasn't, but if you don't like being tailgated then move over.
Just brake test them. It's what I was taught on my advanced police driver training. They soon stop tailgating you.
Find that hard to believe.
So do I.
I find it impossible to believe.

speedking31

2,707 posts

80 months

Wednesday 14th August
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Vipers said:
Even with stay in lane signs, I would have moved over,
But it is never wrong to obey the signs. You can't just pick and choose which ones you like.

Centurion07

7,286 posts

191 months

Wednesday 14th August
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MrGTI6 said:
CharlieAlphaMike said:
Vipers said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
Centurion07 said:
I didn't say he wasn't, but if you don't like being tailgated then move over.
Just brake test them. It's what I was taught on my advanced police driver training. They soon stop tailgating you.
Find that hard to believe.
So do I.
I find it impossible to believe.
I thought he was being sarcastic personally. biggrin

trackdemon

10,294 posts

205 months

Wednesday 14th August
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Centurion07 said:
Those 50 limits on motorways seem to attract more than their fair share of middle lane throbbers for some reason.
Any average speed zone brings it out; road captains who won't go faster than the speed they have decided is possible, but definitely won't move over. It's not the first time I've given up and gone to pass on the left, only for them to accelerate to block. Weird thing is, you know they'd almost never do it on a 70mph motorway; yet there's no difference - a limit is a limit, and you're supposed to move left any time you're not passing.

WarrenB

520 posts

62 months

Wednesday 14th August
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Vipers said:
Centurion07 said:
Which would go to prove that he is indeed a MLM incapable of independent decision making.

Stay in lane signs are there to stop people chopping and changing lanes in either heavy traffic or in narrow lanes.

In that clip there was literally no reason for him not to move over other than the typical MLM thought process of "I don't have to move so fk everyone else".
Even with stay in lane signs, I would have moved over,
Likewise, if I've got no reason to still be in lane 2 I'd move over to lane 1.

I believe such signs are only advisory too, rather than mandatory?

saaby93

25,822 posts

122 months

Wednesday 14th August
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They used to have 'keep your distance' signs. Would they work?
They could fit some camera device to them to make sure

M4cruiser

1,740 posts

94 months

Wednesday 14th August
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InitialDave said:
Solocle said:
Looks like they were overtaking OP, and stayed out for the slip road. Nothing wrong with that. Hogging would need to see what happened before/after.
Normally I'd agree (saving pulling back into lane one until past the sliproad being a good habit), but the truck can't use the third lane, so while I'd usually stay out for the sliproad if it wasn't inconveniencing others, in that example I'd either speed up slightly to the lorry's pace, or pull in front of the camera car.
Well, let's see what did happen with the Nissan and the lorry. I found a longer clip that goes up to the end of the camera's 3-minute segment:
https://youtu.be/6TcBuomuZ9s
As I see it, it's a 50 limit, most vehicles are doing close to that; the Nissan can't move left as he's not yet 2 seconds ahead of the camera car; the camera driver sensibly backs off so he's not alongside the lorry for a huge length of time; the brown Polo in the right-hand lane pulls in front of the Nissan; then the junction / slip road comes up; something moves out from the slip road just in front of the Nissan so again he can't move left; the camera car backs off to let the Skoda in, the alternative is speed up and risk being again alongside the lorry and possibly breaking the speed limit. It's a fairly busy time in the limited road-works, so not everyone can expect to achieve 50mph all the time. The lorry driver is definitely making danger where it's not necessary.
(In case you're in 360p there's a 720p/HD option in the settings wheel for this video that makes it a bit easier to see what's going on).




Flibble

4,938 posts

125 months

Wednesday 14th August
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Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
I may be wrong, but IIRC specs controlled zones on motorways tell you to 'stay in lane' at the start, don't they?
Not that I've seen. Given some of them are nearly 20 miles long that would do nothing for traffic flow.

Lorry might not have been that fast, a lot of people do around 45 in average speed sections.