RE: MSO to showcase GT options at Pebble Beach

RE: MSO to showcase GT options at Pebble Beach

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chris_at_mac

7 posts

20 months

Wednesday 14th August
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Maldini35 said:
GranCab said:


Or ...

I agree the Bentley is a much more luxurious place to be in the traditional GT mould.

What McLaren are offering is not a direct competitor.
It’s more a GT lite.
It’s aimed at people who want something more nimble than a 2 tonne Bentley but more accommodating than the current crop of supercars.

Think of it as an off-shoot of the GT category.
It is clearly not a direct rival for the Bentley nor is it positioned as such.
You might as well compare it to a Range Rover.

Whether it’s successful remains to be seen.
But as a big fan of McLaren and a glass half full kind of guy you are clearly routing for it to be another British success.
I dare to object. A GT car is a car for long distances with significant power that is somewhat pleasant to drive in one way or the other. In that respect, this is a competitor to a GT and the likes. It simply is not a very good one. I fully agree that McLarens are fantasitcally comfortable (and I did 7000 miles / year in mine), but so are Ferrari and Astons these days.

And a Range Rover??? I have a Range Rover for the gardening stuff and the dog and because it's perfect in bad weather or if some moron decides he or she wants to crash into me. I did transport plants in the McLaren (from UK back to Germany, of all places...), but the hound would object to sitting in this.

I'm not joining the McLaren-bashing crowd lightly. I was a big fan of them. But this is just a remake of their old recipe, and not a very pretty or convincing one either. And I agree to another poster here: It does not look better in the metal than on paper.

Gameface

9,414 posts

21 months

Wednesday 14th August
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mikey k said:
Not many mid engined carbon tubbed GT cars out there wink
With good reason. It's not what people want in this sector of the market.

Maldini35

2,102 posts

132 months

Wednesday 14th August
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chris_at_mac said:
I dare to object. A GT car is a car for long distances with significant power that is somewhat pleasant to drive in one way or the other. In that respect, this is a competitor to a GT and the likes. It simply is not a very good one. I fully agree that McLarens are fantasitcally comfortable (and I did 7000 miles / year in mine), but so are Ferrari and Astons these days.

And a Range Rover??? I have a Range Rover for the gardening stuff and the dog and because it's perfect in bad weather or if some moron decides he or she wants to crash into me. I did transport plants in the McLaren (from UK back to Germany, of all places...), but the hound would object to sitting in this.

I'm not joining the McLaren-bashing crowd lightly. I was a big fan of them. But this is just a remake of their old recipe, and not a very pretty or convincing one either. And I agree to another poster here: It does not look better in the metal than on paper.
It’s not for you (which is fair enough) but others might feel differently.

The idea is a more focused, lighter, faster type of GT.
A car that can do the long motorway miles but still thrill on the twisty Alpine passes where a Bentley would feel like a comparative super tanker is an appealing thought to me.

I still maintain it’s not a direct rival.
After all, if you really want the traditional GT experience, this car is never going to deliver it.
But if want something a little different or if the Bentley/Aston image feels a bit ‘golf club’ then this might suit.

As always the proof will be in the real world experience.
Owners will soon report whether it pulls it off.
Sadly I’ve not yet had the chance to drive one to the Grossglockner.



The3rdDukeofB

138 posts

3 months

Wednesday 14th August
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mikey k said:
Rumour has it they are well down the route with a second engine
That said its never hurt Lotus or Aston who have bother relied on the same tub and engines for well over a decade until recently.
I don't think we can quote either Lotus or Aston as being awesome motor car businesses.
And probably for the reason you cite.

This car is not a GT.

mikey k

12,329 posts

160 months

Wednesday 14th August
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thecook101 said:
Just saying... not sure I'd want Skip's £80k car looking so close to my £250k car ;-) Seriously though, like it or not, I think the C8 really will be a game changer. And for the good.

Agreed
I'm hope to get a C8 to go alongside the 675.
Should be interesting to compare the two.
Though I wouldn't class the C8 as a GT like this McLaren.

D4rez

1 posts

Wednesday 14th August
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I just can’t see why people are so hung up on this being in any worse a tourer than an Aston Martin. Although I get looks are subjective but as a GT:

- McLaren says this is quieter and more refined than the DB11 and if you think about 720s you can bet it’ll have better ride quality.
- it’s got more boot space. You can’t get a big set of golf clubs in the boot or rear seats of a DB11
- it’s just as practical as a daily
- rear seats in the Aston are tiny even for small kids
- engine in the front is worse for packaging, visibility and weight distribution

Realistically if you want a car that’s practical, can do a weekend trip and feels special to drive then I would choose this. What is the point of front engine when everything has to be an EV in 10 years time anyway?

mikey k

12,329 posts

160 months

Wednesday 14th August
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fernando the frog said:
am I the only one who thinks this car is logical? Mclarens are known for their comfort vs other supercars and i'm sure a GT would be a lovely thing
Nope it makes sense to me
It replaces the 570GT

mikey k

12,329 posts

160 months

Wednesday 14th August
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The3rdDukeofB said:
mikey k said:
Rumour has it they are well down the route with a second engine
That said its never hurt Lotus or Aston who have bother relied on the same tub and engines for well over a decade until recently.
I don't think we can quote either Lotus or Aston as being awesome motor car businesses.
And probably for the reason you cite.

This car is not a GT.
There are various other reasons neither are awesome, but both have longevity and loyal customers.

This doesn't conform to the GT stereo type, BUT it is very capable of being a GT.
The low weight and clever suspension make them excellent GT cars.
I drove to Mid Wales to Mid Norway (1600 miles) in 2 days in my 650, a relaxed very comfortable mile muncher.
It did 20k miles in 18 months around Europe.
This will be even better with the improved interior (NOT in white though!)

Lets give McLaren some credit for trying to moving things on with a limited pallet of tools to do it with.
They were always going try and make the most of their unique points like the Ricardo engine and the CF tub

scottydoesntknow

80 posts

1 month

Wednesday 14th August
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These things will seriously depreciate.

Continental GT all day long if my numbers ever came up.



Edited by scottydoesntknow on Wednesday 14th August 19:40

The3rdDukeofB

138 posts

3 months

Wednesday 14th August
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mikey k said:
The3rdDukeofB said:
mikey k said:
Rumour has it they are well down the route with a second engine
That said its never hurt Lotus or Aston who have bother relied on the same tub and engines for well over a decade until recently.
I don't think we can quote either Lotus or Aston as being awesome motor car businesses.
And probably for the reason you cite.

This car is not a GT.
There are various other reasons neither are awesome, but both have longevity and loyal customers.

This doesn't conform to the GT stereo type, BUT it is very capable of being a GT.
The low weight and clever suspension make them excellent GT cars.
I drove to Mid Wales to Mid Norway (1600 miles) in 2 days in my 650, a relaxed very comfortable mile muncher.
It did 20k miles in 18 months around Europe.
This will be even better with the improved interior (NOT in white though!)

Lets give McLaren some credit for trying to moving things on with a limited pallet of tools to do it with.
They were always going try and make the most of their unique points like the Ricardo engine and the CF tub
I accept that the Mcl's run supremely smooth.
I accept you have done great long distances and in comfort with your 650. I don't believe for a minute it would be as comfortable, cosseted and capable of taking you and a good few suitcases and crates of vino across a continent with the same manner as a Bentley GT, a FF or Merc CL.


Credit is indeed due to Mcl for many reasons (I was dumbfounded watching the video linked on another thread of the 720S Taxi at the ring for example) but this is so bloody samey inside and out to the rest of the fleet of McL's and on the surface does not do much, if at all anything differently, such is the packaging and componentry of the car to any of the other Mcl fleet that I struggle to give them 'credit' for this effort.


breadvan

1,370 posts

112 months

Wednesday 14th August
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Come on PH, don’t be coy, what’s the retail price of this MSO GT?

biglaugh

thecook101

630 posts

59 months

Wednesday 14th August
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mikey k said:
thecook101 said:
Just saying... not sure I'd want Skip's £80k car looking so close to my £250k car ;-) Seriously though, like it or not, I think the C8 really will be a game changer. And for the good.

Agreed
I'm hope to get a C8 to go alongside the 675.
Should be interesting to compare the two.
Though I wouldn't class the C8 as a GT like this McLaren.
Oh I agree. The C8 is incredible value and it will hopefully bring to an end to the eye watering prices being charged for not so special cars. McLaren have done an amazing job but they will need to do more than bang out multiple versions of the same car if they want continue their growth. I smell a company up for sale. Launch a brand. Disrupt the established players. Hit your numbers through preregistration. Sell to a giant who can scale it.

The3rdDukeofB

138 posts

3 months

Wednesday 14th August
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thecook101 said:
I smell a company up for sale. Launch a brand. Disrupt the established players. Hit your numbers through preregistration. Sell to a giant who can scale it.
And said by another savvy PH'er who is well within the Mcl magic circle

myhandle

895 posts

118 months

Thursday 15th August
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richboycoleman said:
No thanks McLaren. It looks no different to your other models. Also that interior does not come close to a Bentley Conti GT.
Well, you’re right in that it is reminiscent of another McLaren, but it’s not a current model. This car looks like the MP4-12C, which is far less aggressive in appearance than any McLaren since. I had a conversation with a 12C owner who said that he was keeping the car rather than buying a newer McLaren simply because they are too aggressive for his tastes. McLaren might be onto something here. Think Maserati Bora, Lamborghini Urraco, Ferrari Dino 308GT4, and perhaps the 911 GT3 Touring.

Kevin-sz0nv

216 posts

50 months

Thursday 15th August
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This is their showcase especially the interior... Please somebody tell me this is not a £5 USB socket that even has the plastic cover attached? Would Bentley fit one... I put one in my Alfa Spider and only kept the cap on as its a soft top. I hope I am wrong!






thecook101

630 posts

59 months

Thursday 15th August
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The3rdDukeofB said:
thecook101 said:
I smell a company up for sale. Launch a brand. Disrupt the established players. Hit your numbers through preregistration. Sell to a giant who can scale it.
And said by another savvy PH'er who is well within the Mcl magic circle
Interesting. Not necessarily a bad thing. Scale, focus and backing to move things along from what has been a solid success story. McLaren get back to focussing on the racing team and regain number one spot.

MAC 720S

458 posts

91 months

Thursday 15th August
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Kevin-sz0nv said:
This is their showcase especially the interior... Please somebody tell me this is not a £5 USB socket that even has the plastic cover attached? Would Bentley fit one... I put one in my Alfa Spider and only kept the cap on as its a soft top. I hope I am wrong!





It certainly looks very similar to the plastic cap which covers the 12v socket in my 720S (hidden behind switches). Pretty poor if it is on such prominent show.

Gameface

9,414 posts

21 months

Thursday 15th August
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That looks bloody awful.

There's a certain irony to having that cheap st next to an MSO badge.

MAC 720S

458 posts

91 months

Thursday 15th August
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mikey k said:
Rumour has it they are well down the route with a second engine
That said its never hurt Lotus or Aston who have bother relied on the same tub and engines for well over a decade until recently.
New engine and car to be introduced in 2020 = Hybrid. Will replace the 540, 570 and 600LT.

Explained in an interview with Mike Flewitt

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/first-...


swisstoni

7,899 posts

223 months

Thursday 15th August
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If I was after a luxurious tourer I would instantly dismiss something this SHAPE.

I’m sure they have done wonders with the car to make it feel like a tourer but I can’t see it being enough.