Child Seat Advice

Child Seat Advice

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Welshbeef

37,233 posts

142 months

Sunday 13th January
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DoubleSix said:
Listen, you are obviously looking this from the perspective of someone who has chosen not to use rear-facing. That's fine, but you don't need to justify the choice to people on the internet. It's your choice.

From my point of view, safety was the absolute number one priority. So we have massive bulky Norwegian extended rear-facing seats for our kids. Bloody inconvenient to move between vehicles, big impact on passenger leg room, huge cost etc. But we made it work, even in the wife's 1 Series.

Don't kid yourself you couldn't possibly go rear facing for all these reasons your listing, it's just a choice you've made. And strangers on the net aren't that fussed.
I put it to you IF safety is FIRST then you shouldn’t dream of putting the child in the 2007 130i. Why? Torsional rigidity crumple zones Internal cell strength is many many multiples higher now than then.
Many say now a big impact in a new car you’d simply walk away yet a 5 year old r 7 you’d be hurt then get older say 2007 you might not survive.

You should also buy the biggest vehicle possible and longest wheel base so there is no chance of a rear impact driving through the boot into the rear seat area etc. Imagine a 70mph head on accident you in a new Merc GL v a 2007 130i or even a M140i now mass will drive the smaller car backwards adding to survivors injuries.

But this stuff is all getting silly - to suggest that because someone else doesn’t have rear facing seats they do now put the safety of their child is pretty punchy

essayer

6,187 posts

138 months

Sunday 13th January
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Northernlights said:
Evening. On the off chance the OP or the owner of Mazda 3 is reading (I've read back as far as 2015 and can find no reference), does anyone have any advice for an Extended Rear Facing seat that'll fit a 2014 (current, pre-facelift) 3 please?
Any help greatly appreciated.
Have a look for a local retailer and just try them out. They're usually competitive with each other and they'll fit the one you like best.

Northernlights

54 posts

130 months

Sunday 13th January
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Hi essayer. Unfortunately, none of the local retailers have extended rear facing seats--online orders only. We've had a good nose around.

essayer

6,187 posts

138 months

Sunday 13th January
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Northernlights said:
Hi essayer. Unfortunately, none of the local retailers have extended rear facing seats--online orders only. We've had a good nose around.
That's a pity - do you head over to Essex or Milton Keynes at all? In Car Safety Centre are excellent

DoubleSix

9,495 posts

120 months

Sunday 13th January
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Welshbeef said:
I put it to you IF safety is FIRST then you shouldn’t dream of putting the child in the 2007 130i. Why? Torsional rigidity crumple zones Internal cell strength is many many multiples higher now than then.
Many say now a big impact in a new car you’d simply walk away yet a 5 year old r 7 you’d be hurt then get older say 2007 you might not survive.

You should also buy the biggest vehicle possible and longest wheel base so there is no chance of a rear impact driving through the boot into the rear seat area etc. Imagine a 70mph head on accident you in a new Merc GL v a 2007 130i or even a M140i now mass will drive the smaller car backwards adding to survivors injuries.

But this stuff is all getting silly - to suggest that because someone else doesn’t have rear facing seats they do now put the safety of their child is pretty punchy
Zzzzzz make your choices as you see fit, I care not.

Just stop bleating on about about how it isn’t possible because that’s patently false.

Welshbeef

37,233 posts

142 months

Sunday 13th January
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DoubleSix said:
Zzzzzz make your choices as you see fit, I care not.

Just stop bleating on about about how it isn’t possible because that’s patently false.
They don’t fit Olin our cars a F10 5 series or a S Max we have 3 who would all need them so not possible.
Please stop telling me it’s possible when it’s not for my experience Just accept it it doesn’t fit so telling me it does for me when it doesn’t is a joke.

Actually can you put 3x rear facing side by side or is it max only 2 as they need to swivel? If so it’s not possible whatsoever.

DoubleSix

9,495 posts

120 months

Sunday 13th January
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Welshbeef said:
DoubleSix said:
Zzzzzz make your choices as you see fit, I care not.

Just stop bleating on about about how it isn’t possible because that’s patently false.
They don’t fit Olin our cars a F10 5 series or a S Max we have 3 who would all need them so not possible.
Please stop telling me it’s possible when it’s not for my experience Just accept it it doesn’t fit so telling me it does for me when it doesn’t is a joke.

Actually can you put 3x rear facing side by side or is it max only 2 as they need to swivel? If so it’s not possible whatsoever.
My last comment in this discussion with you Welshbeef.

I asked you if you had triplets, because if you were actually interested in ERF you would logically put the youngest (within group size) in such a seat and work from there to the confines of the vehicle, unless they are all the same age...

However, I suspect this is more about taking an extreme example to back up your belief that ERF is incompatible with ‘life’ despite many people managing.

Welshbeef

37,233 posts

142 months

Sunday 13th January
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Double 6 I clearly take offence at your point where you state that you put safety first (rear facing seats) implying those that choose not to use them don’t.

Rear seats are to be used up to 5 years of age if not older until the weight is reached (all 3 of mine are under that weight and two are under 5). Do you not comprehend 2 beside each other passenger window side and then middle the middle seat would cause the drivers seat to foul the rear facing seat in the middle meaning BOTh front seats would have to be equally forward. I’ve stated plenty of times I don’t don’t legs too long knees crushed into the dash and impossible for me to drive - and you you keep coming back with plenty manage round it... FFS if I say it doesn’t fit in our two cars and one of them being an S Max it means exactly that
In addition another poster earlier stated similar simply cannot sit in front of them period / nothing to do with putting up with a bit of discomfort just do not fit.

Sorry if this offends you but there it is.

essayer

6,187 posts

138 months

Sunday 13th January
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So you can either
- get a car which will fit 3 seats ERF
- face some forward and accept it's not as safe

We do the latter, and live with the risk. As you say, it's only part of the overall picture.

Welshbeef

37,233 posts

142 months

Sunday 13th January
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essayer said:
So you can either
- get a car which will fit 3 seats ERF
- face some forward and accept it's not as safe

We do the latter, and live with the risk. As you say, it's only part of the overall picture.
https://www.whatcar.com/news/best-cars-for-three-child-seats/n16742

List of cars here - very few can take 3 Rear facing seats and all NEW are hugely costly.

biggrim

75 posts

119 months

Sunday 13th January
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We had a Kiddy Evo Luna 2 which has a lie flat option. Our little one was 3 months premature and while she passed her car seat test, we were advised to get one with a lie flat option as it would take a little of the strain off her lungs, particularly in the first few weeks when we got her home. Was also great as it clipped into the buggy and meant if she was asleep, could stay asleep etc. Was a rear facing isofix and fitted my A3 and later the wife’s Ateca without much issue (behind passenger seat). She’s outgrown that now and we have a Maxi-Cosi 2 way pearl. Rear facing for a while and now front facing as she’s gotten bigger etc. I’ve got a Joie Stages seat in the back of the Passat and that isn’t Isofix but gives a little more room behind the passenger seat. Also front facing at the moment. Little one was 2 and a half on Christmas Eve there and 91cm tall (measured her today). Don’t know if any of that is useful but wanted to share.

Adrian E

2,661 posts

120 months

Monday 14th January
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biggrim said:
We had a Kiddy Evo Luna 2 which has a lie flat option. Our little one was 3 months premature and while she passed her car seat test, we were advised to get one with a lie flat option as it would take a little of the strain off her lungs, particularly in the first few weeks when we got her home.
That's absolutely the right use case for these lie flat seats, as sitting a premature baby semi-reclined in a standard infant carrier is very much not advised - certainly until they're reached a weight of a typical newborn, if not slightly beyond. In that circumstance you're trading off the potential safety risk of being in a flat cot (effectively) in the unlikely event of a crash, against the very real risk of breathing issues for premature babies.

Shakermaker

9,345 posts

44 months

Monday 14th January
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DoubleSix said:
Welshbeef said:
I had the Displeasure of being in a E class this week passenger seat but in front of one of those rear facing seats.

I’m 6’2” my knees were crushed into the dash so the only way I could sit was to either both feet in first ie holding the side of the door and then slide myself in..... no chance OR in normally but then sit at a massive angle with knees up but still into the dash.
I couldn’t put the seat any further back.

What horrible devices these things are - you’d need a long wheel base car for any tall person to sit in front of one. I simply couldn’t drive a car if it had that seat behind the drivers.
That's why you put it on the passenger side, where your general shorter wife sits. We were more than happy to compromise comfort for safety for a short stint in our lives (4 years).

Priorities.
At 6'5" I have got my daughter in a rear facing seat behind me in my Skoda Superb, I've got the seat almost all the way back. The only compromise I have had to make is that I have used a small microfibre cloth wedged between the two seats because when I then sit in the seat it pushes it back that extra half inch that was otherwise a gap, is now the two rubbing together which became a quickly irritating squeak.

The benefits are thus:

I can park only having to worry about access to one side of the car
Passengers can benefit from even more legroom than they need if they sit behind my wife

The downsides are:

I have to get another Superb in the next few months to replace this one as mine is getting too old.

It would NOT fit three full size car seats abreast in the rear

kambites

57,205 posts

165 months

Monday 14th January
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Welshbeef said:
https://www.whatcar.com/news/best-cars-for-three-c...

List of cars here - very few can take 3 Rear facing seats and all NEW are hugely costly.
Surely no-one safety conscious enough to use ERF seats is going to countenance putting their children in the rear row of seats in a seven-seater... which means there's one car in that list which is helpful - the Q7.

Another point to note about ERF is that manufacturers of rear-facing seats specify a minimum safe clearance between the back of the ERF seat and the back of the front seat of the car. That gap is quite important because in the event of a crash, the top of the child seat impacting the front seat of the car will put forces on the seat-back which are not meant to be there which can catastrophically compromise the performance of the seat. Trying to shoehorn an ERF seat into a car too short to have that clearance may well be more dangerous than using a good front-facing seat. Some ERF seats do not require a gap; presumably they have stronger backs to deal with the potential impact.

Edited by kambites on Monday 14th January 11:27

boobles

Original Poster:

15,240 posts

159 months

Wednesday 16th January
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How NOT to install a CRS.... madfrown


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB5b-5JlC8o

Welshbeef

37,233 posts

142 months

Wednesday 16th January
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kambites said:
Surely no-one safety conscious enough to use ERF seats is going to countenance putting their children in the rear row of seats in a seven-seater... which means there's one car in that list which is helpful - the Q7.

Another point to note about ERF is that manufacturers of rear-facing seats specify a minimum safe clearance between the back of the ERF seat and the back of the front seat of the car. That gap is quite important because in the event of a crash, the top of the child seat impacting the front seat of the car will put forces on the seat-back which are not meant to be there which can catastrophically compromise the performance of the seat. Trying to shoehorn an ERF seat into a car too short to have that clearance may well be more dangerous than using a good front-facing seat. Some ERF seats do not require a gap; presumably they have stronger backs to deal with the potential impact.

Edited by kambites on Monday 14th January 11:27
I’d put £ on it that a 130i 2007 version certainly doesn’t have the gap required unless passenger front seat is empty Or there is a dwarf in the seat smile.

Ditto a 340i touring no way will it fit. It doesn’t in a F10 5 series so god only knows how a smaller BMW manages safely.

StevieT735

28 posts

86 months

Thursday 28th March
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So, is it okay to fit an ERF child seat with its front (back) touching the back of the front seat?

Bit of background, I drive a 2000 Lexus ES300, here in Saudi Arabia. 17mo Daughter until now has been rear facing in her Joie Tilt behind the passenger seat, with the front passenger seat moved forward to accommodate it. Looking to the future (and potential additions to the family) we’ll need to move her behind my seat, which is possible, but I have to move my seat forward a couple of inches and have it more upright, but even then it’s touching the back of my seat.

I think the problem is that my car is old and all the seating positions are fairly laid back, which doesn’t work well with the shape of most rear facing car seats. Maybe something bigger might be in order should child #2 turn up....

FlatToTheMat

1,409 posts

107 months

Tuesday 14th May
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I realise it’s seemingly an abandoned thread but I’ll try here before starting a new one;

1st child incoming, we have a Touareg with front passenger and outer rear isofix.. budget isn’t a concern however safety is. What is currently considered the best? Obviously we want rear racing as long as possible.

Wife likes the Britax B Safe 35 and Boulevard Infant seat. I like the look of the Joie Every stage.

We would really like something that’s suitable from birth to 4years

Would recommend suggestions, thanks in advance





Edited by FlatToTheMat on Tuesday 14th May 07:33

essayer

6,187 posts

138 months

Tuesday 14th May
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I would take a good look at the Recaro Zero-1 Elite, it has a removable insert suitable for newborns that fits into many travel systems, allowing transfer from car to outside without being woken up.

Once they’re older (taller) it becomes a rotating ERF car seat to 18kg/105cm (about 4yo)

We have the Zero-1 and it’s reasonably compact

Or, a 0+ seat which fits into a base (and travel system) then when they’re about 18months they can use an ERF - if you have another child at that point - or are thinking about it - you then have a car seat available


echazfraz

390 posts

91 months

Tuesday 14th May
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kambites said:
ERF is fundementally safer in a head-on colission but if you dig into research that demonstrated that, the difference is marginal enough that the odds of accident survival across the spectrum of accidents they analysed is only a handful of percent better in an ERF seat than a forward facing one...
Bit of a resurrection but can you point me to this research please? I keep finding conflicting data, some from the US, etc.

Interested to see that the difference is so marginal.